Nieuwe F30/F80 M3 ?

[Joop]

Ook even de filmpjes bekeken; maar geluid en handling zijn wel in orde zo te zien...

[Joop]

Even nieuwe update met de tussenstand: http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=753936" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

2014 BMW M3 / M4 to Gain About 100lb-ft More Torque While Targeting E46 M3 Weight
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* M4 coupe render above is just a teaser for now.

We spoke very recently at length to a trusty source within BMW who is familiar with the development of the upcoming F80 M3 sedan / F82 M4 coupe and we were able to confirm the following bits of news:

HORSEPOWER / TORQUE

Regarding power output, the previously estimated 450HP figure is an overestimate. Instead, expect the horsepower output to be in ballpark of the current E90/E92 M3.

What will be increased greatly however, is the torque figure. The F80/F82's multi turbo inline 6 cylinder engine [recently exposed] will add approximately 100 lb-ft more torque over the current M3 (which outputs 295 lb-ft torque). This would put the new M3/M4 in the range of 395 lb-ft torque. There's nothing like forced induction for thrust!

WEIGHT

We were also glad to learn that all this extra torque will not go to waste. We've been reporting that the F80 M3 / F82 M4 will be lighter than the current M3, but how much lighter is what we all want to know. The great news is that the M engineers have targeted the E46 M3 weight in developing the F80/F82.

The E46 M3's curb weight is 3,415 lb, while the current E90 M3 and E92 M3 weigh 3,726 and 3,704 pounds, respectively. This would represent an approximate 300 pound weight reduction; great news for BMW enthusiasts who bemoan the increasing weight of cars in general. The caveat to keep in mind however, is that curb weight is calculated based on the total weight of a vehicle with standard equipment, and with the ever growing list of standard equipment and technology in late model cars, don't be surprised or disappointed if you don't see exactly 300 pounds shaved. What's important is that the E46 M3 weight is being used as a target, which in any scenario, should result in significant weight reduction for the new M3 and M4.

MORE RADICAL M3

This should come as no surprise for those who have been following our F80 M3 spy photos/videos. The F80 M3 sedan will feature a more drastic and aggressive look and styling from the F30 3 Series than the current E90 M3 does from the E90 3 Series. Our source said to think about how the 1M coupe looks compared to the 1 Series, and we believe it. The spy photos already show huge flared fenders, very aggressive front bumper styling, and a raised hood 'bump.' Check out how it may look in some of our preview renders.

TIMING

As for the market release timing - our source again reconfirmed the same schedule we have been reporting. The F80 M3 sedan will be introduced first and will not hit the market until early 2014. Expect the F82 M4 coupe in late 2014 - early 2015. We (just our own guess) think that it may receive a global launch just like the F30 3 Series, where the M3 will hit all markets worldwide simultaneously.

SUMMARY

To recap, here is an updated list of what we know about the F80/F82 so far:

Lighter than current M3
targeting E46 M3 weight
More powerful than current M3
approximately same HP, but around 100 lb-ft more torque (in range of 395 lb-ft)
Faster than current M3
More efficient than current M3
Powered by an inline 6 cylinder multi turbo engine (source, source)
Offered with optional or standard manual transmission
Electric Power Steering (completely reworked for precision for M3/M4)
Tires (from prototype) - Michelin Pilot Super Sport: 255/35/19 (front), 275/35/19 (rear)
Front styling to feature elements from the M6 and 1M coupe, with Air Curtain technology (our render)
Hood to feature power/vent bump
M3 Introduced late 2013 - early 2014 (concept debuts earlier)
M4 Introduced no earlier than late 2014


Stay tuned for more information on the F80 M3 sedan and keep track of our ongoing coverage: http://www.bimmerpost.com/m3/f30m3/

[Joop]

Enkele van hierboven genoemde renders in diverse kleuren:













op basis van:

[highperformance]

Joop, zorg ff dat je vaak genoeg post dat men een onderscheidt moet maken. M label voor het commerciële werk en CSL voor de puristen (net als de GT3 bij Porsche). Ms dat het kwartje valt. Zeker als we dadelijk geen L6 meer hebben.... wtf, nu zelfs al geen atmo L6 meer....

[Joop]

Leuke vondst met wat zoeken op VIN codes...: Bimmerpost

415hp S55 Powered F80 M3 / F82 M4 Revealed via BMW VIN?!
A resourceful F30POST member of ours went BMW VIN diving and may have uncovered many details for the upcoming BMW M3 Sedan (F80) and M4 Coupe (F82)!



While obviously no production F80 M3 or F82 M4 have rolled off the line yet, manufacturers like BMW register VINs for their pre-production test cars, so finding the details behind such VINs can reveal much about the upcoming production models (although keep in mind that everything is subject to change by the time the model hits production).

So, what does the BMW M4 coupe's VIN reveal?

The highlight is the 310kW (415 hp) S55 engine listed. Consistent with the information we've been posting, that would make the next M3 and M4 feature similar horsepower figures to the current M3 (414 hp) from its inline 6 turbo S55 engine. But, we've also been previously told by a trusty source familiar with F80/F82 development that the cars will boast approximately 100 lb-ft more torque (in range of 395 lb-ft) (source)

The rest of the VIN information reveals many of the features and options to be available for the F80 M3 and F82 M4. See the full VIN info below.

Follow our M3/M4 coverage at http://www.bimmerpost.com/m3/f30m3/ and catch all the latest spy pics and information at http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=602770


BMW M4 UK version:

[BartB]

Vind het wel jammer dat het zo volgepropt is.
En het is niet zo duidelijk dat het een 6 cilinder is.
Lijkt wel een 4 cilinder blok.

[Dejan]

Vind het wel jammer dat het zo volgepropt is.
En het is niet zo duidelijk dat het een 6 cilinder is.
Lijkt wel een 4 cilinder blok.

Als het een 3.0 is, dan is een 4 cilinder niet zo heel waarschijnlijk, dat zijn aardige potten dan (a la 944/968). Over het algemeen hebben cilinders een inhoud van 500cc.

[Joop]

Is wel de filosofie van BMW vwb de huidige motorenreeks: 500cc per cilinder.

Vandaar dat de 3 cilinder 1,5L ook op het program staat.

Allemaal volgens het nieuwe Efficient Dynamics Engine Family Twin Turbo concept:

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[Joop]

Paar nieuwe speculaties van het Engelse magazine CAR, vwb de nieuwe F80 M3:

[BartM3]

Jammer van die turbo's, het is namelijk wel een onwijs vet ding!

(Ik vrees het moment dat de cabrio uit komt want waarschijnlijk wil ik die dan ontzettend graag hebben!)

[highperformance]

Vreselijke kleur om als redering te gebruiken. Vreemd ook om F80 te gaan voeren. Ben benieuwd wat de definitieve specs en looks zullen zijn. De huidige E90 M3 vind ik echt de moeite waard.

[performance]

Weet iemand waar die 8 vandaan komt bij F80 snap er niets van,waarom geen F30 M of zo

[Joop]

De M4 wordt volgens insider SCOTT aankomend maand op Pebble Beach Concours d' Elegance (18/8/'13) onthuld en daarna doorgevlogen naar de IAA waar naast de 4er coupe ook de F80/F82 M3/M4 wordt getoond aan het grotere publiek...

...benieuwd. Is wel erg vlot na de introductie van de coupé versie van de nieuwe 3er. Wellicht is de strategie om de nieuwe naamgeving van de 4 serie er goed in te rammen bij het BMW minnend publiek.


Zie: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/showth ... p?t=867826" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Joop]

Nog een recent interview met Friedrich Nitschke BMW M GmbH directeur door Motortrend

Q-and-A with Friedrich Nitschke, managing director, BMW M GmbH

From i to M, it’s an exciting time at BMW. We recently sat down with Friedrich Nitschke, managing director of BMW’s M Performance Automobiles division (MPA), to talk about everything from the new M3/M4 to whether the automaker might consider a competitor to the Mercedes-Benz A45 AMG.

Dr Friedrich Nitschke 209x300 imageMotor Trend: Would you agree that BMW M and Mercedes AMG and Audi Quattro RS cars are getting more similar – the move to turbos, the increasing prevalence of all-wheel drive?

Friedrich Nitschke: Well, turbo engines greatly cut fuel consumption and add torque, and you can’t do that with naturally aspirated engines. But the M philosophy is to combine the best high-rev features with the torque of a turbo. The M5 goes to 7400 rpm. I’m convinced that most race cars will have turbos. And the new M3 will have one of the best engines we have ever done.

MT: And all-wheel drive?

FN: As to all-wheel drive, we use it on M Performance Automobiles [and the X5 M and X6 M] but it’s not necessary on M cars. On the new M3 it would add 80 kg [176 pounds] and the steering would not be pure any more. It’s not worth it. The car has 50:50 weight distribution and new traction management and a new differential, a development of the principle of the M5′s, with torque vectoring, so it has excellent traction.

MT: That’s twice you have called it the “new M3.” We were expecting M4.

FN: Well the M3 is the icon, everybody is waiting for the fifth generation and I will bring one for absolutely certain, a sedan. Yes the coupe and convertible will be called M4.

MT: But the M4 coupe is first?

2013 BMW M3 Profile 01 300x187 imageFN: I think both M3 and M4 will be at the Detroit Show.

MT: Each M3 has always had fewer cylinders than the M5 of the same era, right?

FN: Yes [smiles].

MT: And I never heard of a seven-cylinder engine…

FN: [Laughs]

MT: Tell me about light weight. Is the new M4 lighter than a 435i?

FN: Absolutely. We will use lightweight parts in the places where it matters, at the ends of the car and high up, and in high-rpm parts of the powertrain. A carbon fiber roof, of course, and aluminum and magnesium and carbon fiber in the crash zones. An aluminum hood, and a new carbon fiber trunk lid.

2014 BMW M4 rear three quarter spied 3 mt 300x199 imageMT: If the trunk is a different part it can be a different shape for aerodynamics, like the E30 M3, yes?

FN: Yes.

MT: What about below the M3 and M4?

FN: There’s no decision yet. But I absolutely want to develop a successor model to the 1 Series M Coupe. I have all the components I need – the powertrain, chassis. In the near future you will know. We can’t call it the M1, because that number is for the special mid-engined car, but there is M2, isn’t there?

[Just as the coupe version of the 3 Series is now called 4 Series, the next-generation 1 Series coupe will be renamed the 2 Series.]

MT: What about a four-cylinder M car?

FN: Not in the near future. But it’s possible. Our engines are modular.

MT: But based off the new front-drive BMW platform? An M car to compete with the Mercedes A45 AMG?

FN: What do you think of that car?

MT: I think it understeers a lot on the road, and the powerband is too narrow – it’s laggy below 4000 rpm and demands an upshift at just over 6000 rpm. And the shift paddles have far too much delay.

FN: I had those troubles too. We drove it at the Nurburgring.

MT: You can do better, surely.

FN: [Nods, smiles]

MT: We’ve just been driving the 435i. How soon do you start planning an M version and making sure the base car has the right technical qualities?

FN: Very early. Look at the 5 Series. We had to make sure the body-in-white had enough stiffness, and that there would be space under the hood for our V8 M engine. But some of our parts are too expensive for the regular model, like our extra body stiffeners, special steering system and carbon roof, so they are installed only in the M. And the design: we have the base model, the Sport option, the M Sport, the M Performance automobile, and the full M model. We have to make sure at the beginning that there will be enough differentiation between them. Then we add our seats, our instruments, steering wheel, and so on.

Overall, 60 to 80 percent of the parts on an M-car are different from the regular model.

MT: I was looking at the i3 recently and there’s obviously no scope for an M model there – all the suspension parts are engineered right down to the minimum weight and strength for the grip generated by the skinny tires.

FN: Absolutely. M and i are the two bookends at either end of BMW.

MT: But isn’t there useful technology to you in those cars?

FN: I have known [head of the i brand Uli] Krantz [head of i] for a long time. The carbon fiber in the i8 and i3 is interesting for me. Reducing weight is interesting for both these bookend brands. M engineers and i engineers work together. Some solutions in the i8 came from M.

MT: Could M do a hybrid?

FN: It’s not necessary. The i brand represents those cars for BMW. Sure, a lightweight lithium-ion battery is useful, not for drive but for auxiliary functions and support systems. But there’s no M hybrid in the near future. But if, say, China passed regulations that meant I couldn’t sell M cars there without hybrid, I would have to think about it.

MT: And other powertrains?

FN: That’s what M Performance [is] for. We do other body types, like estates, and we do diesel, and we do all-wheel drive.

MT: Could you do an M Performance diesel AWD 4 Series, or even 3 Series Gran Turismo?

FN: It’s possible. Anything we would call MPA would have to have a proper engine, worked on by M. We wouldn’t just do badges.

Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/interview-bmw ... z2ZnnSs5sL

[Joop]

Je kunt wel merken dat de M3/M4 bijna klaar is...
...er wordt al knap agressief mee gereden op de Ring en lijkt er op de laatst geschoten video (18 juli) goed bij te staan/glijden...

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